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Wednesday,12 November, 2014
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http://www.eberspaecher.com/en…..ma-01.html

I would be interested in the cost and the future availability – very interesting technology.

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Wednesday,12 November, 2014
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Sounds great doesn’t it, but its a new and very expensive technology using a variety of fuels. Have a look this methanol fuelled marine one which barely provides a power output equivalent to a tiny 9 amp battery charger for £5000!

I’m sure the price will reduce and there will be economies of scale but to put things in perspective given above price, it would cost £1,000,000 to have one big enough to power your boat.

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Thursday,13 November, 2014
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I’m only interested in the use as a APU, 3 kw would be just right.
The first versions will be 24 volts, I found two additional companies (one in Sweden and one in the USA) with nearly the same technology – all want to go on the market in the USA within the next two years. The intended use will be power units for trucks, hence the 24 volts. I think this is a competitively priced market ….
The application as a main power unit will surely take some more years – not my interest, I’m in steam. Laugh

But the interesting and important point is the fuel !

Up to now it was either hydrogen (a nightmare to store) or methanol which is for use on boats nearly as dangerous as petrol and is twice as expensive as diesel fuel.
For diesel fuel there exists a perfectly working infrastructure, that is one of the most important points.

btw I also found a fuel cell which runs on apple cider vinegar (no joke, honest) but it costs the same as your example and delivers no more.

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Thursday,13 November, 2014
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Richards post: “I’m sure the price will reduce and there will be economies of scale but to put things in perspective given above price, it would cost £1,000,000 to have one big enough to power your boat”

I’m curious how you got to that number? If you use their calculator (yes I know they are trying to sell product) then a fairly high use would get through 20 litres of fuel in 8 days, ie £10 per day. That’s still very expensive but it’s not a million :)

The worst part is having to ship fuel in 10 litre containers … a really bad use of the planets resources IMO. But if it were stocked in more places, well who knows what that would do for the economics? The cost of the unit itself is a lot but no worse than a fitted generator, probably less.

Also methanol is safer than petrol, it’s harder to ignite and unlike petrol can be extinguished with water I believe. But agreed, it’s still not as safe as diesel.

There was a good article / test on these in Canal Boat mag a little while ago.

Cheers..

PB

Thursday,13 November, 2014
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It would be great on our gas-free boat, meaning the 8 to 8 rule wouldn’t apply. But at what cost and, like all new concepts, would you be paying the development cost.

Living retirement in the slow lane.

20 years hiring, 6 years of shared ownership and a Continuous Cruiser since 2007 but still learning!

Thursday,13 November, 2014
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Paul B said
Richards post: “I’m sure the price will reduce and there will be economies of scale but to put things in perspective given above price, it would cost £1,000,000 to have one big enough to power your boat”

I’m curious how you got to that number? If you use their calculator (yes I know they are trying to sell product) then a fairly high use would get through 20 litres of fuel in 8 days, ie £10 per day. That’s still very expensive but it’s not a million :)

The worst part is having to ship fuel in 10 litre containers … a really bad use of the planets resources IMO. But if it were stocked in more places, well who knows what that would do for the economics? The cost of the unit itself is a lot but no worse than a fitted generator, probably less.

Also methanol is safer than petrol, it’s harder to ignite and unlike petrol can be extinguished with water I believe. But agreed, it’s still not as safe as diesel.

There was a good article / test on these in Canal Boat mag a little while ago.

Cheers..

PB

Sorry for not making it clear but I was of course talking about capital cost and making a hypothetical point.

27hp (20kW) for propulsion = 200 x the cost of presently available methanol fuel cell that supplies just 100 watts. Didn’t even factor in cost of fuel since that would be insignificant by comparison.

Regards – Richard –
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