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Another viewing this weekend
Still looking for the boats that ticks most of the boxes
Wednesday,25 February, 2015
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I would completely agree with the early part of this post … that standard bench seats are very uncomfortable.

But you do have the advantage of adding them to your own spec, so perhaps you could design out the problem? For me it has always been that the back cushion sits under the gunwale and so you end up leaning against the upper cabin surface. But if you made the back cushion deeper perhaps it would be OK?

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Monday,16 March, 2015
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Quandary!!

We viewed another boat this weekend, it ticks every box apart from not having a log burner.

The advertised price is just out of our reach so we offered 4k below the asking price. The owners have said they will only reduce the price by 1k as it has only been advertised a couple of weeks, we really like the boat and we wonder if we should stretch ourselves to secure a deal on our ideal boat.

It was built in 2011 and launched in 2012, 43ft cruiser stern sleeps 4, 38hp beta marine engine, 1291 hours clocked,recent cratch covers to bow and stern which cost the owner £2500.Licence paid up until 2016

Any thoughts most welcome

Monday,16 March, 2015
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Hi,  whilst you say it doesnt have a log burner, what heating does it have? Are you planning on having one fitted?   I personally wouldnt buy a boat without one however my boat is 59ft so maybe the smaller the boat, the less the need.  I live aboard and through the winter, radiators are not enough to keep the boat warm enough aside from the fact that its lovely and cosy with the fire going.  If you are having one fitted and the boat is already going to stretch you, how are you factoring in the cost of a new fire?

It is irrelevant how much it cost the owners for the cratch covers. How much are YOU willing to pay for the boat (which comes with cratch covers at whatever price).   My initial feelings are that if you have to ask, then you have some doubts.   I dont know how much the boat is that you are looking at so i have no idea as to whether it is good value for money (as far as anyone can tell just from written details).  Does it have a BSS or is it still in its early years stage, if so, when is the BSS due? That will be another cost due shortly. when was it last blacked?  Are you planning a survey?

I am sure that others will be along shortly to offer their thoughts 

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Monday,16 March, 2015
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Personally, I wouldn’t consider a live aboard boat without a solid fuel stove. It would be a deal breaker for me. Mechanical systems can and do break down, often when you need them most. A solid fuel stove won’t let you down and, as Deckhand says, a glowing stove is wonderful to relax in front of on a cold winter’s evening (or just about any other time of the year in the UK).

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Monday,16 March, 2015
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Hi,  whilst you say it doesnt have a log burner, what heating does it have? Are you planning on having one fitted?   I personally wouldnt buy a boat without one however my boat is 59ft so maybe the smaller the boat, the less the need.  I live aboard and through the winter, radiators are not enough to keep the boat warm enough aside from the fact that its lovely and cosy with the fire going.  If you are having one fitted and the boat is already going to stretch you, how are you factoring in the cost of a new fire?

It is irrelevant how much it cost the owners for the cratch covers. How much are YOU willing to pay for the boat (which comes with cratch covers at whatever price).   My initial feelings are that if you have to ask, then you have some doubts.   I dont know how much the boat is that you are looking at so i have no idea as to whether it is good value for money (as far as anyone can tell just from written details).  Does it have a BSS or is it still in its early years stage, if so, when is the BSS due? That will be another cost due shortly. when was it last blacked?  Are you planning a survey?

I am sure that others will be along shortly to offer their thoughts 

Hi 

The boat isn’t going to be a live aboard so may not be used as much in the Winter. It has diesel fired central heating with four large radiators.

The boat was out of the water in August 2014 when it was blacked, repainted and had the cratch covers fitted.The anodes didn’t need replacing.

The price they are asking is £40,000 which includes mooring for 12 months. The BSS is due Dec 2015

Tuesday,17 March, 2015
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Maybe there is scope to ‘meet in the middle’ on the price? Especially as the BSS Cert expires this year.

To not use the boat in winter is to miss a beautiful time of the year, personal preference of course. Although I would not want to be on board without a stove.

The lack of stove will also impact you when you come to sell at some point, most people will want one I think. 

Lastly the mooring… great that it’s included, but is it where you want/need to be? My guess is they won’t get a refund so they are including it anyway?

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Tuesday,17 March, 2015
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Paul B said
Maybe there is scope to ‘meet in the middle’ on the price? Especially as the BSS Cert expires this year.

To not use the boat in winter is to miss a beautiful time of the year, personal preference of course. Although I would not want to be on board without a stove.

The lack of stove will also impact you when you come to sell at some point, most people will want one I think. 

Lastly the mooring… great that it’s included, but is it where you want/need to be? My guess is they won’t get a refund so they are including it anyway?

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Hi Paul

They don’t seem to want to meet in the middle on price obviously they are not in a rush to sell.

We have gone back to the original boat we were looking at the 2008 38ft cruiser stern which had had the fixed seating removed but does have a stove.

Our main concern with this boat is the engine size which is a Vetus 28hp three cylinder diesel engine.It has one alternator and three batteries one for the engine and 2 leisure batteries.In your opinion will the leisure batteries be adequate or can we add to these ?

Thanks 

Tuesday,17 March, 2015
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You already posted re the engine … if you are still unsure then I would get professional advice.

With batteries it depends on what you use and how you cruise. You don’t say what AHr you have for the batts or alternator? There are many many posts on this topic, but as you ask my opinion then :-

My preference is at least 4 batteries at apprx 110 AHr each for the leisure bank. If you plan to stop for a while then I would increase that to 6 to reduce engine running just to charge the batts. Unless you add solar which will help a lot Mar to Sep.

To get a better idea do an ‘energy calc’, again there are posts on this, and see what you will use vs your capacity vs how long you will cruise each day. The less you drain the batts between charges the longer they will last.

Adding additional batts is relatively easy as long as you have the space, but you’ll need to cost in the reworking of the housing and the wiring.

Hope this is helpful.

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Tuesday,17 March, 2015
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HI

I have just read back through this thread.  You were originally wanting 40 – 50 ft. But you are reconsidering a 38ft.  If you are going to be going out cruising and using the boat and enjoying the experience, my advice is to keep looking.   I wouldnt be looking at a 38ft if you are talking of possibly 4 of you enjoying the cruising.  There are loads of boats out there that sound like they would meet your criteria far better than the couple that you have mentioned so far.  You say you have secured a mooring. What length is this?

When you go looking, look for the things that you want, not the things that you dont want.

Where have you searched so far?  Have you been out to some boatyards or marina’s that sell boats to look at?  

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Wednesday,18 March, 2015
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I would agree – look for a longer boat! Mine is 48′. Large decks reduce the internal space to 30′. It’s perfect for me and the dog but can quickly feel crowded with even just a couple of day visitors aboard on a cold or wet day. A cruiser stern is superb as a social space or just somewhere to sit and enjoy life. A solid fuel stove would be a must have for me too. Keeps the boat cosy and makes it feel like home. Spring and autumn nights can be chilly and there’s noting nicer than lighting the stove for a couple of hours. 

Also my boat is reverse layout. Galley at the back, saloon and stove in the middle. To me this is a perfect arrangement. Central stove keeps everywhere warm. Kettle is close by when cruising. When entertaining on a nice day guests can spread between saloon and stern deck and as long as the galley is not constricted the space just flows together into one large area.

Wednesday,18 March, 2015
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We have opted for the 38ft and submitted an offer which has been accepted.

It will be used mainly for the 2 of us and a medium sized dog. We are new to boating and we felt that this was the perfect size to begin with.

If we find 12 months on that we need something bigger we will have to think of selling and then purchasing another boat.

Thanks for all the input

Wednesday,18 March, 2015
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 Congratulations on finding the one that you like,   I really hope it all goes well and you find yourself out there on the water soon.  Happy boating and dont forget to let us know how you get on. Big learning curves coming but thats all part of the fun.  Enjoy ;))

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