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do we stick with tradition or change
Thursday,3 January, 2013
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Hi everyone  my name is keith and soon to be the owner off a 50ft trad sail-away

i have been a joiner for 42 years and have fitted most type of windows in my time  i would value peoples opinion on do i stick with traditional boat windows or change to the modern u-p-v-c that are A rated with the new types of glass and as condensation is a problem on boats i wondered whether  or not to apply this technology to my new shell as they work so good in a house and as they can be open but locked and as they open wider than the traditional hopper type window they offer a greater means of escape should anything on board go wrong apart from the greater thermal values they offer i can’nt understand why they have not taken off more is just to stick with tradition or that not enough is known by a lot of people about the quality and performance of these windows.I Have  also been told that i would struggle to sell the boat at later date is this true ?? aluminium windows went out of fashion in homes because they did not solve the condensation problems and after all they were modern in there day and is it time to start a new tradition or does it boil down to personal preference.

 

              Having costed both  types the pvc work out a lot cheaper and instead of having blinds on the inside of the boat

             they can be inside the d/g unit. i would be interested to hear people oppinion  

             

              Thankyou   

Friday,4 January, 2013
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Hi Keith,

You’re asking a technical question and I’m hopelessly out of my depth but are you talking about standard double glazed house windows or the double glazed units designed for boats? The standard uPVC windows would look awful if fitted to a boat. I imagine that you would have a real problem selling at a later date if you fitted a boat with these, even if you managed to fit them securely and they did the job properly. Let me know which type you’re talking about.

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Friday,4 January, 2013
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hi Paul

the windows i’m thinking of are similar to the house style but they are double rebated same as the ally type, i believe they are already fitted in mobile homes and static caravans, but as you can see they have several points going for them that far out weigh the ally type these are

                                                            better thermal qualities

                                                            cost less

                                                          come in different colours

                                                         better locks and provide a means of escape

                                                         can be locked in a open position

                                                         no condensation or steamy windows

                                                         can have blinds inside the d/g unit

the only down side is no curve on the bottom it can be done but cost a lot more but do you really need it,if PVC takes on maybe in time composite will take over from ??PVC as they already do composite doors,

maybe the boating world needs to catch up with technology ? or what a good way to stamp your own individuality on your boat?

would love to hear your views paul       maybe this could be a change to boat safty as no need for mushroom vents  or vents in doors 

Saturday,5 January, 2013
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Hi Keith,

I’m all for stamping individuality on a boat, but at what price? Most potential narrowboat owners want a traditional looking boat with, in this case, traditional looking windows. How many buyers are going to want something that looks like hybrid boat/conservatory? As I said earlier, there are traditional looking narrowboat windows available that are double glazed. One of our moorers here at the marina had them fitted earlier this year. He’s very happy with them, but they weren’t cheap. If you would like to talk to him about them, I can put you in touch.

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Saturday,5 January, 2013
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Hi Paul

Thanks for your comments and you have a point in what your saying but surely people must have said the same when they took out louver windows. to fit aluminium or when they took wood out to fit louver windows not sure which of these were first , surely a thing can only stay tradition for so long be for it’superseded and this is driven by cost and performance or quality or whether you want to wipe the condensation of your windows every morning or change the wood surround because it’s badly water stained so more work and more expense just to keep with tradition which is not really all that old as traditions go. I have seen a wide beam near to where i live that had pvc that were black on the outside and white on the inside this is also something that ally windows cannot do so it gives you more choice when considering internal decor.

Another point is and i don’t know the rules on boat safety concerning ventilation but because PVC can be self venting is there a possibility that there is no need for door vents or mushroom vents and again reducing costs and surely some traditionalists will be saying you should not have solar panels on the roof but it seems that every other boat as got them on ,Surely a good point and a valid topic for debate

Saturday,5 January, 2013
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You make some good points Keith but many people buy boats with their hearts rather than their heads. They would probably choose traditional “pretty” windows rather than practical and efficient uPVC windows. Maybe uPVC windows will become popular but there’s usually a heavy price to pay if you are one of the early innovators. You need to consider whether you would be able to sell your boat easily if you chose to give up the lifestyle or move onto something bigger and better. I have seen a few very expensive “concept” boats which cost a small fortune to build being sold for a fraction of the build cost because the majority of potential buyers simply didn’t like them.

I would love to see your new boat complete with uPVC windows. I would enjoy talking with you at length about the windows’ pros and cons, but I probably wouldn’t want to buy it.

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Sunday,6 January, 2013
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Hello again Paul

T his is why i asked the  question in the first place you see a part of me says do i stick with the normal or do i be a bit adventurous and go with the innovators?,the choices,the easy way ,the safe way ,the follow like sheep way (personal choice ) or the hard way,the take a gamble way or the adventurous way ( personal choice )or is it form of fear,fear of the unknown or fear we will be mocked or the fear we will stand out in the crowd be famous or have to speak up for thoughs that dont.Is this what we term rule  with our hearts or our heads or is it just a

matter  of feeding the fear we fear the mos

TRADITION  OR INOVATION

Surely both of these are driven by COST?

The cost of how much to stay with tradition or the cost of being inovative and it fails

Was not the the duke of bridgewater being inovative when he built the first canal, i supose there was traditionalists in thoughs day who hope d he would fail so they could stick with the pack horse,so is there anything to choose either way,tradition was a working boat  then costs came  in and familys moved on board  then inovation & costs moved  when then canals went to steam then diesel.So just like today there will be people who stick with taditionand those that don’t and those that are driven by cost more so if some inovative person found out how to power thier boat by water or air, would there still be traditionalists than run there boats on diesel you bet . Can we be a bit of all three????

Sunday,19 May, 2013
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keithwood said
Hi everyone  my name is keith and soon to be the owner off a 50ft trad sail-away

i have been a joiner for 42 years and have fitted most type of windows in my time  i would value peoples opinion on do i stick with traditional boat windows or change to the modern u-p-v-c that are A rated with the new types of glass and as condensation is a problem on boats i wondered whether  or not to apply this technology to my new shell as they work so good in a house and as they can be open but locked and as they open wider than the traditional hopper type window they offer a greater means of escape should anything on board go wrong apart from the greater thermal values they offer i can’nt understand why they have not taken off more is just to stick with tradition or that not enough is known by a lot of people about the quality and performance of these windows.I Have  also been told that i would struggle to sell the boat at later date is this true ?? aluminium windows went out of fashion in homes because they did not solve the condensation problems and after all they were modern in there day and is it time to start a new tradition or does it boil down to personal preference.

 

              Having costed both  types the pvc work out a lot cheaper and instead of having blinds on the inside of the boat

             they can be inside the d/g unit. i would be interested to hear people oppinion  

             

              Thankyou   

Keith see our post  https://livingonanarrowboat.co.uk/forum/living-on-a-narrowboat/windows-or-portholes/ with some photos of our windows

 

Sunday,6 April, 2014
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Paul Smith said
Hi Keith,

I’m all for stamping individuality on a boat, but at what price? Most potential narrowboat owners want a traditional looking boat with, in this case, traditional looking windows. How many buyers are going to want something that looks like hybrid boat/conservatory? As I said earlier, there are traditional looking narrowboat windows available that are double glazed. One of our moorers here at the marina had them fitted earlier this year. He’s very happy with them, but they weren’t cheap. If you would like to talk to him about them, I can put you in touch.

Hi, we are new live aboard boaters and having been thinking about the upcoming winter. It will be our first total live aboard and had also thought (dreamed) about having normal double glazed windows fitted.  So would be very interested in talking about the “Traditional styled Double Glazed” you have referred to, who supplies them and what do they cost?

Sunday,6 April, 2014
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Before you seriously consider double glazed windows in a narrowboat you need to understand that the seals very often fail leading to few companies providing them because of the claims. If you want to go down that route, Wesley windows offer them. However, I would also consider secondary double glazing which you can remove in the warmer summer months.

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Saturday,19 April, 2014
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We have all portholes, a few reasons why are good security, makes a boat look good IMO of course, easy to fit, rarely leak if fitted properly, offer a good level of privacy, their easy to quickly Black out and insulate with bungs in winter adding insulation. 

I do note though that there are some very slim framed double glazing units available, and if you like a good view and loads of light in your boat I would seriously consider UPVC double glazing. You clearly know how to fit these, but I wouldn’t rely on supplied seals, you need to fit the units tight to the steel, I would use Neoprene seal 3mm ish to make watertight, this will allow for movement. 

What ever you do just steer clear of bus windows their designed for buses not live aboard boats and will likely leak and or condensate. 

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Sunday,27 April, 2014
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Hi All ,some interesting comments regarding the look and security of the windows here.  I am considering buying a narrowboat as a live aboard and have been reading from many sources regarding the benefits and pitfalls. The main issue that remains for me is the insulation of the windows. I have seen many boats for sale some with porthole style windows which do not let in much light but are more secure and many with large square windows with small openings on the top. I would like to know from those who know which type of window is best for keeping the boat warm in winter  and cool in summer while not making the inside of the boat like a dark cave. Any comments appreciated, thanks. James

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