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Monday,7 January, 2013
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Any views on what size and material of rope to use for mooring and anchoring – 54′ narrowboat.  I have been recommended 20mm for the anchor.

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Monday,7 January, 2013
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I did a post about this recently, but I can’t find it. I don’t know about the thickness of the rope but if you’re using an anchor, the combined length of the rope and chain should be three times the depth of the river you’re on and the chain should be a third of the total length to stop the anchor from dragging.

I imagine most ropes available in chandlers will do the job but one thing to consider is how the rope feels in your hands. If you’re doing a lot of rope work a nylon rope for example can be quite hard on your hands.

Hope this helps.

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Tuesday,8 January, 2013
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Yhanks Paul.  Any opinions on the different types of rope available, excluding nylon – I have seen sisal, hemp and manilla advertised.

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Tuesday,8 January, 2013
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Hi

 

I’ve been looking into this myself for our 57′ narrowboat and following various bits of advice from this forum, chandlers and a bit of Internet searching I’m going for:

 

A 20kg anchor

10m of 8mm chain

20m of 16mm rope

 

I must admit I hadn’t thought about the type of rope, but will just go with whatever the chandler suggests.

 

If anyone should disagree with the above, then please let me know as I haven’t made the purchase just yet.

 

Keith

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Tuesday,8 January, 2013
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Hi Keith,

It would seem nylon rope is best for anchor as it has more stretch and does not rot (probably stored in a damp locker).

Have you been quoted by the chandler?  I am intending to do it myself.

There is a 20kg anchor available on Ebay for £59, including postage.  I have been advised from a reliable source who bought one that it is OK http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271084379541

10m*8mm chain £40 including postage http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110340905546

30m*18mm rope £54, including postage http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/30-M…..588bbad42e

Or I might forego splicing myself and get this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/30MT…..415768cd48

Video on splicing onto chain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?f…..fDyDYC5g1E

Not meant for narrowboats but some useful info, including splicing onto chain:

http://www.westmarine.com/weba…..OvqLnfDvvk

 

good luck

 

Alan

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Tuesday,8 January, 2013
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Made an offer of £60 on the 30m spliced rope and it was accepted.

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Thursday,10 January, 2013
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Alan

Thanks for the tips.

Ordered the anchor and chain yesterday and it turned up today.

Offered £57.50 for the rope and they countered with £60 so that’s on its way now as well.

Probably saved about £50 overall (minus the cost of a few shackles) so thanks for the tips.

We’re planning to travel around the north of England for the next 12 – 18 months so if you get up this way look us up – I owe you a cuppa.

One thing I picked up on whilst I was looking into anchors though was the suggestion that if the tie off point on the boat had only been welded that it could ‘pop’ off under presure and that it should be bolted or if not to add an additional bolted securing point. Not sure of this info’s accuracy, but it sounds feasible so I’ll probably do something to be safe.

Keith

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Friday,11 January, 2013
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NB Badger Sett said
Alan

Thanks for the tips.

Ordered the anchor and chain yesterday and it turned up today.

Offered £57.50 for the rope and they countered with £60 so that’s on its way now as well.

Probably saved about £50 overall (minus the cost of a few shackles) so thanks for the tips.

We’re planning to travel around the north of England for the next 12 – 18 months so if you get up this way look us up – I owe you a cuppa.

One thing I picked up on whilst I was looking into anchors though was the suggestion that if the tie off point on the boat had only been welded that it could ‘pop’ off under presure and that it should be bolted or if not to add an additional bolted securing point. Not sure of this info’s accuracy, but it sounds feasible so I’ll probably do something to be safe.

Keith

 

Glad you found the info useful.  Anchor and chain have arrived and seem satisfactory – if a trifle heavy!  Not sure I will be able to recover if deployed!  A friend has offered me a commercial ratchet which may be useful.  Still to get the shackles – I have read they should be one size up from the chain.

I am planning to have my first trip in March to go to the Easter boaters banter at Gnosall – any chance you will make that or too far South?  I think I will then head North so may well be able to meet up.  Alternative is down to London to meet up with relatives but I am favouring North at present.  Have you seen waterexplorer.co.uk If you have a laptop and buy an inexpensive gps unit you can show your boats location on the interactive map.  Worked well when I tried it out on a hire boat in October.  Also shows you the distance to the next lock, junction, bridge, winding point etc. Nicholsons does the same of course but I like gadgets and found it great fun – and useful for a novice!

Regarding anchor I have yet to investigate securing.  As I will be single handing will probably keep on the stern when on rivers – next problem where to stow when not on rivers!  I suspect anchor on roof and chain in gas locker. Rope might be useful as an additional bow line run to the stern for ease of use, rather than just the centre line.

 

Alan

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Tuesday,15 January, 2013
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I just bought a complete kit from here:

 

http://www.tradline.co/upload/…..ipment.pdf

 

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20 years hiring, 6 years of shared ownership and a Continuous Cruiser since 2007 but still learning!

Saturday,26 January, 2013
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Keith have you completed the setup yet?  I have still to get shackles.  Due to sizes I think I will have to get either a 10mm or maybe even a 8mm to attach to the chain then attach an 11 or 12mm shackle to that to be able to take the thimble/

 

Any views?

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Saturday,26 January, 2013
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Alan

 

I’m in the same boat as you (sorry for the pun) as I need to get some shackles to connect the bits as well. Due up around Nantwich in about a weeks time so going to pop into the chandlery there to see what they suggest.

 

Keith

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Monday,28 January, 2013
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Don’t use manila. I’ve been making some new side fenders and the fibres are very rough. If and when I change the mooring lines it will be for braided yachtie stuff, pricey but when you are trying to moor up on a blustery sub zero July morning in horizontal rain my hands will appreciate it ;)

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Wednesday,6 February, 2013
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NB Badger Sett said
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I’ve been looking into this myself for our 57′ narrowboat and following various bits of advice from this forum, chandlers and a bit of Internet searching I’m going for:

 

A 20kg anchor

10m of 8mm chain

20m of 16mm rope

 

I must admit I hadn’t thought about the type of rope, but will just go with whatever the chandler suggests.

 

If anyone should disagree with the above, then please let me know as I haven’t made the purchase just yet.

 

Keith

I use almost exactly the same for my 60 ft nb. The chain is spliced to 16mm Anchorbraid (its not called that for nothing Wink) 8 strand which being extremely flexible makes it very easy to handle and is kink free. It has a loop splice on the bitter end.

Don’t underestimate the breaking strain of rope rode. 16mm anchorbraid has a breaking strain of 6500 Kg! so will be fine and is the largest you can splice to 10mm chain anyway.

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Thursday,7 February, 2013
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Hello again Richard,

I replied on the Anchor thread before reading your post here.As you will see from my above post I have bought 8mm chain and 18mm rope so have no chance of splicing it direct.  Also as posted, I was going to use two shackles (smaller and larger) to attach the chain to the needle splice on the rope.  Do you have any comments?  TIA

 

Alan

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Thursday,7 February, 2013
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Hi Alan

The 8mm chain will probably be adequate, though I use 10mm. Note the SWL of 8mm is only 576 Kg against 900 Kg for 10mm. Your 18mm rope whatever type it is will likely be way stronger (around 1000 Kg SWL) but as you say no chance of splicing – 10mm chain to 16mm anchorbraid works perfectly and still leaves the latter stronger.

The problem with a loop or needle splice to a shackle is chaffing. You could use a riggers thimble, a steel insert to the spliced loop, to alleviate this though. Also if you are using braid on braid (which you shouldn’t be) be very careful its done properly. With multi-strand its easier to see the integrity of the splice. Added to all, the multiple shackles you are using makes for a messy (IMO) solution with more potential for something coming loose. 

Sorry to be a tad negative but you did askWink

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Friday,8 February, 2013
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richardhula said
Hi Alan

The 8mm chain will probably be adequate, though I use 10mm. Note the SWL of 8mm is only 576 Kg against 900 Kg for 10mm. Your 18mm rope whatever type it is will likely be way stronger (around 1000 Kg SWL) but as you say no chance of splicing – 10mm chain to 16mm anchorbraid works perfectly and still leaves the latter stronger.

The problem with a loop or needle splice to a shackle is chaffing. You could use a riggers thimble, a steel insert to the spliced loop, to alleviate this though. Also if you are using braid on braid (which you shouldn’t be) be very careful its done properly. With multi-strand its easier to see the integrity of the splice. Added to all, the multiple shackles you are using makes for a messy (IMO) solution with more potential for something coming loose. 

Sorry to be a tad negative but you did askWink

Thanks Richard and negative comments are just as valuable as positive ones – probably more so.

Unfortunately I have already bought the gear but as it is only intended for emergency use chaffing and “messy” are not really problems.

 

Alan

 

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Sunday,10 February, 2013
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Alan said
Any views on what size and material of rope to use for mooring and anchoring – 54′ narrowboat.  I have been recommended 20mm for the anchor.

I’ve had five differenet boats over the years with a range of different ropes. One main thing I would say is you can do anything atall with a narrowboat as long as you have a very long centre middle rope or if possible two of them one for each side when you jump off take the rope with you. The longer the boat the longer the rope required. I often used cheap blue nylong rope the sort you often see in these cheap shops by the role full. They seemed to be much stronger and last alot longer. I used proper chandler ropes on bow and stern at a range of different highly prices and colours. Crick boat show or other boat shows of that size are a good place to buy them or Braunston chandlers will do a good selection for you made to measure. But keep what I said about the centre guide rope It might save your boat and your life! Wendy

 

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