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It’s Official; There’s No Need To Pay Mooring Fees
An unrealistic view of the cost of living on a narrowboat
Friday,26 July, 2013
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Did you read this article in the Daily Mail last week? I don’t actually read the Daily Mail, or any other newspaper for that matter- they’re too depressing – but this particular article was brought to my attention because it paints a far too rosy and none too accurate picture of life on a narrowboat.

Anyone who currently lives on board will notice the inaccuracies immediately. Probably the most glaring error is the claim that the owners don’t need to pay mooring fees or council tax because they are continuous cruisers. They aren’t. They’re moored in Stratford upon Avon where she works in a cafe and the kids go to school. They claim that they don’t need a mooring because they are continuous cruisers and move their boat every few days. A continuous cruiser has to be on a progressive journey. Clearly they aren’t if they have to be close to both work and to schools.

They claim to have reduced their household expenses from £11,000 a year to £3,000. The waterways license and mooring fees, which so far they have avoided (but I suggest not for long once the Trust read this article) would total £3,000. Then there’s the cost of their heating. They claim that they spend just £60 each month on diesel for both their heating and propulsion. Given that they didn’t decide so sell up until February this year, they probably didn’t move onto their boat until April or May. They haven’t actually experienced any cold weather yet so probably haven’t needed the heating on very often. They’ll get a shock later on this year.

There’s no mention of expenditure on gas so maybe they have an electric cooker which may well account for the high electricity cost and the need for a generator. They couldn’t run an electric cooker without one.

There’s no mention of the cost of running the solid fuel stove (I spent nearly £900 last autumn, winter and spring) or repairs and maintenance. I don’t know how long they intend to stay on the boat or how often they are going to carry out essential maintenance such as blacking, painting and essential engine and equipment servicing but they need to budget for them.

Another inaccuracy in the article about their life on a narrowboat is Mrs Lawrence’s claim that “It’s freezing in winter” How does she know? The article states that the final straw for them was in February this year when they were faced with huge fuel bills following a “harsh” winter. They probably didn’t move onto their boat until at least April so they haven’t experienced a winter on the boat yet.

For starters, last winter wasn’t particularly cold. It dragged on a bit, but there weren’t that many really cold spells. Secondly, life on a narrowboat doesn’t have to be uncomfortable. Admittedly my first winter, the winter of 2010/11, was decidedly chilly. It was the coldest December since records began in 1908.

The marina was covered by five or six inches of ice for six weeks. We had a few consecutive days with highs of minus six and one night when the thermometer dropped to minus eighteen. That night the temperature in my bedroom was minus two. I woke the following morning to fine a quarter of an inch of frost on the cladding inside the engine room.

That winter I was cold. I hadn’t yet over plated the perished wooden top with steel – and sandwiched another layer of insulation between the two. I often needed to wear an additional fleece top and a hat when I was sitting at my laptop in my office area towards the rear of the boat. And I was still cold.

I was cold on my boat, but then so where thousands of other people in their bricks and mortar homes. The weather was as unusual as it was extreme.

The following two winters weren’t a problem. I haven’t been cold at all and James isn’t really what you could call a warm boat. I know many boaters, with better insulation and heating systems than I have, who leave their front doors open in the winter to let some of the heat out. Russ, our fitter, says that he can remember many a winter when he had his boat sitting sweating in his underpants (not a pleasant thought) with the front doors wide open and snow thick on the ground outside.

There really isn’t any need for this family to be cold in the winter. Maybe they’ve only used their central heating so far and not fired up the solid fuel stove as well. Anyway, the heating is the least of their problems.

Not many families live on narrowboats. There just isn’t the room. Most liveaboard narrowboaters are either singles, mainly men but quite a few women too, and older couples. The few liveaboard children are mainly pre school.

Teenagers need space. This family have a son and a daughter with bunks in the same “bedroom”. There’s very little space for clothes, toys and possessions, and absolutely no privacy. Twelve year old Phoebe will go through puberty with seven year old Jake for company. In five year’s time, Phoebe’s raging hormones will have Jake’s to contend with when he goes through the same changes.

At the moment, the family has all the space they need. The days are both warm and long. They can spend as much time as they like outside, returning to the boat just to eat or to sleep. All too soon the nights will draw in, the thermometer will drop and long evenings on the boat, enjoyed by adults who can appreciate the simple pleasure of reading a book sitting by a living coal fire, will have to be endured by energetic children.

Children can immerse themselves for hours or days in the virtual worlds available to them through their gaming consoles. However, and increasing number of these games rely on fast internet connectivity. Fast and internet aren’t two words you can often use together when you live on a boat. Very rarely is the boat’s internet connection fast. Sometimes there’s no connection at all.

An alternative to gaming is watching the infinite number of television channels available to couch potatoes everywhere. Everywhere that is apart from on boats some or all 0f the time.

I hope that this family make a go of it. I really do. But I don’t think they have either understood or budgeted for all of the costs involved in running and maintaining a narrowboat long term. They certainly haven’t understood the continuous cruising rules and the need to pay £2,000 – £3,000 for a residential mooring (if they can find one) so that they can stay close to work and to schools in Stratford.

I don’t think that they have considered the implications of housing two increasingly volatile youngsters in a very small space with little or no privacy, no room for their material possessions or access to their digital worlds. There are very few older children living with parents on narrowboats for some very good reasons. In years to come, I hope Phoebe and Jake can remember predominantly happy memories from the latter part of their childhood spent on a narrowboat. Somehow I doubt it.

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Friday,26 July, 2013
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Without blowing warm smoke where it should not be, this foolhardy article and the numerous others that are regularly trolled out just emphasize  what a wonderful resource your forum is Paul, you along with the many other contributors go along way to prevent many of us falling into the trap of believing that the live-aboard lifestyle is the cut-price nirvana incorrectly described so many times in the popular press.

The sad thing is they only draw attention to the whole CC and live aboard debate and I am unsure if it will result in many additional restrictions being implemented thus changing the whole feel of life afloat.

The good news and it might sound selfish but I am sure there will be a few foolhardy people reading this and the other articles who do not bother to research before they take the plunge and this will result in some good deals cropping up in a year or two. 

One mans pain is another mans gain 

Sunday,28 July, 2013
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I really do not get the figures. I am only a leisure boater yet my costs exceed their’s and for the majority of the winter Clarence is wrapped up for the winter with no heating costs. Yet I spend more than this couple do for half years cruising.

Could it be that this couple hope to influence the Canal & River Trust not to take any action against them because of the publicity they have received. I hope the Trust do not lay off, but treats them as they are treating other non-genuine continuous cruisers. I know that it is trust policy to be as gentle as they can be, but in the end everyone has to obey the rules.

Now interesting all of the cruising shots in the little film were not on The Stratford Canal but on the river Avon, the picnic is the park area before the lock. Now I do not know the rules on the Avon, but could they be different? I think you will find the mooring they were on in the Stratford basin is one of the public visitor moorings. Could not see a licence on the boat, maybe someone else’s eyes will be sharper than mine.

Interesting who is their navigation authority? :)

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Interesting who is their navigation authority? :)

Are you asking who controls the Avon? 

Yes, the mooring in the photo is in the certainly in the centre of Stratford which, I believe, are 24 hours only and cost £10 a night.

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Sunday,28 July, 2013
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GM said Interesting who is their navigation authority? Are you asking who controls the Avon?  Yes, the mooring in the photo is in the certainly in the centre of Stratford which, I believe are 24 hours only and cost £10 a night.

I am guessing but I think it is the River Avon not the Canal & River Trust. CRT does not control the Avon. But only a guess

The Avon’s authority is the Avon Navigation Trust

Monday,29 July, 2013
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Not sure what your beef is with them. I grant you that even a wannabe live aboard like me could see flaws in the article but I suggest that is as likely to be the reporters as them.

Being cold? Well there are plenty of boaters I know and speak to who have heating problems. Even on newish boats. And what one person considers cold is not the same as that which another does.

As to having the kids? Each has a bunk and each bunk has a curtain. 100’s of children share rooms with siblings and it may at times be inconvenient but you work round it. I had two pre-teens/teens in bunks with 4 or us in a two bed flat! I just gave my daughter a curtain and explained to my lad she was a young lady now and needed privacy. No problems. Oh, and not EVERY kid has their nose stuck 24/7 in computer game. Some actually read BOOKS!

 As to school? Not sure, but  they may be home schoolers in which case it is not an issue but even if they are not they probably have a defined area they cruise with Startford as the centre. (Especially if she has a p/t job-I suspect he does some agency driving too)

The CRT expect that you move neighbourhoods (the definition of that is quite loose but a generally means a single geographic location) every 14 days. There is no requirement to be “on a journey”. So lets not give CRT any ideas!

I suspect The Avon has something similar as officialdom is rarely know for originality.Laugh

So cut the folks some slack and don’t be so precious! You really sounded like you had your nose in the air.

These are among a growing number of people finding their way onto the cut for financial reasons as much as rose tinted specs. You better get used to it! As soon as my ex sells the house I will join them. I know what I need to earn to survive on the cut and it is a dammed site less than I need on shore! AND I can take up the agency work that I cant at the moment (as it screws up the rent.Housing benefit because it is not regular and landlords get jumpy) and get myself off benfits.

And yes I intend, like many of my friends, to be a continuous cruiser! Not everyone wants a marina existence!

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While I appreciate your point of view, I don’t agree with it. I try not to take the moral high ground but the issues in the Daily Mail article are important because they give the wrong impression of life on a narrowboat.

The most important of those issues is the one of continuous cruising criteria. The Canal & River Trust are very clear on this. I know the Avon Navigation Trust runs the Avon but I suggest that their mooring policy is similar to C & RT. If you are to take on a genuine continuous cruising lifestyle, you do in fact need to be on a journey. Yes, the distance you need to travel on your journey is poorly defined, but the Trust are currently addressing this by creating an official waterways marked with defined geographical areas. Currently as a continuous cruiser you only need to be on a progressive journey (i.e. travelling from point A to B to C to D rather than staying within a geographical area and travelling from point A to B to A to B ad infinitum). Even so, this particular family can’t claim to be continuous cruisers because they need to stay within commuting distance of Stratford so that the mother can go to work and so the children can go to school (not home schooling).

These none conforming continuous cruisers are the boaters who were largely ignored by British Waterways but who are now the primary target of the Trust. Soon to be boaters, such as yourself Stylson, may be mislead by this article and think that they can easily move on to their narrowboat and stay in any area they like – without an official residential mooring – so that they can easily travel to work. I’m afraid it’s simply not the case. It would be a tragedy if new boaters sold their bricks and mortar home before they understood the need for a residential mooring and then found that, with the additional £2,000 + for mooring fees each year even if they can find a suitable residential mooring, they simply couldn’t afford the lifestyle.

With regard to the comment about the cold, yes many boat owners do have a problem with their heating system, and it’s often because they have the wrong heating systems. I know many new boaters who have bought ex hire boats to live on to find that their only source of heat was gas central heating which can either break down when they most need it or prove prohibitively expensive to run. I believe that every liveaboard narrowboat should have a solid fuel stove as their heating system backbone and a central heating system for additional heat or for the times of the year when heat is required for just short periods each day. This particular family appear to have both but there was no mention of running costs for the solid fuel stove. Maybe they hadn’t incurred costs in that area because they haven’t yet used the stove. Anyway, it’s an inaccuracy and was worth commenting on. Anyway my point is that living on a narrowboat doesn’t have to be cold.

And finally the children. Poor Phoebe has reached adolescence. It’s a stage in her life when she’s going to experience massive changes, emotionally and physically. She deserves a few creature comforts. Of course she can get by on the boat. It’s not going to kill her and going without her electronic gadgets won’t necessarily do her any harm. Nor will not having much variety in her clothing because there’s nowhere to store them on the boat. But you know what teenagers are like. They love to target any of their peers who are different. And Phoebe with her limited clothing and limited access to the latest electronic wizardry will be different.

I certainly don’t want to appear to adopt a holier than thou attitude. It wasn’t so long ago that I didn’t know one end of a narrowboat from the other. But now, having spent thousands of hours creating this site and researching content I know enough to want to point out an article which is misleading. This article is misleading regardless of whether the fault lies with the newspaper or the article’s subjects.

I know that there are more and more people moving to a life on the water. I speak to many of them. I also speak to some who have had to move off the water because the lifestyle wasn’t what they wanted, was more expensive than they expected or because their none compliant continuous cruising lifestyle was subject to action by the Trust. 

It’s easy to buy a boat and live on the canal network where you please. It’s not so easy to do so and abide by the rules. There are comparatively few residential moorings available at the moment. Many marinas bend the rules when they offer berths for liveaboards. Decent online residential moorings are hard to find. Many hundreds, maybe thousands, or liveaboard narrowboat owners are knowingly or unknowingly living on the cut and flouting the continuous cruising rules. The Trust has them in its sights and all wannabe narrowboat owners need to aware of this rather large hurdle which needs to be overcome before they move on to the water.

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Stlyon, Paul set this site up to give open and honest information about living on a canal as it is possible to give. Therefore to ignore the Daily Mail article would have bee wrong and a bad service to the site’s users. The posts on here, as some of the comments on the article do, only point out the failings in the article and the foreseen future problems that could arise. Which is what this site exists to do.

CRT have a court judgement, which was not appealed, that confirms it view of what continuous cruising is. CRT requires all CC’ers to cruise at least 10 miles in, I understand, a month. Cruising backwards and forwards between two points on the system is not acceptable, unless it is a commercial boat in which case it is encouraged.

Personally I wish this couple and their children all the best. I know that Paul, myself and lots of others on the cut would give them all the help and advice we can.

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stlyon said

The CRT expect that you move neighbourhoods (the definition of that is quite loose but a generally means a single geographic location) every 14 days. There is no requirement to be “on a journey”. So lets not give CRT any ideas!

These are among a growing number of people finding their way onto the cut for financial reasons as much as rose tinted specs. 

IF you have a ‘Continuous Cruiser’ licence (actually it is a boat with no home mooring) then when you request your licence you agree to abide by the by-laws, one of which is that you must be on a bona-fide journey. Assuming this boat has a licence then he agreed to keep moving but chooses to ignore it.

We have come across many boaters on our travels who have fallen on hard times and I have every sympathy for them. I don’t really mind if they want to break the ‘rules’ but why is this man being so blatant about it, staying in a major tourist area with already a big strain on the visitor moorings, which are limited to 48 hours in Stratford basin and on the river. There are many places on the canal system where he could stay for weeks without being moved on and without causing problems to other boaters.

He could have stayed in Birmingham and moved around a 30 mile loop plus the occasional longer trip during the holidays and probably would never come to the notice of CRT.

 

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The article did mention that the wife had a car. I was under the impression that as she worked part time and the children were at school, when the time came for them to move the boast on to the next place. The husband would move the boat then call the wife at work to inform her where he and the boat was moored up. The wife would then collect the children from school then drive to the new place where the husband had moored up.

I’m sure if they move in a 20 to 30 mile radius of school and work; then this would be possible.

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You sat that you are “under the impression” etc etc. This information isn’t mentioned anywhere in the article. Do you know this family?

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Sorry, I perhaps didn’t explain very well what I was assuming. No, I do not know the family. But, when I clicked on your link and read the sorry excuse for an article by the Daily Mail, as I got about six pictures down on the third line it say. “There was insurance for two cars, a VW Beetle and a Nissan Qashqai.” Then if you scroll down three more pics and look at third line it says “The family has also sold both their cars for a Golf.” So the family still own a car.

I was therefore assuming that if they were genuine; and were CCing then it would be possible if they stayed in a 20 to 30 mile radius they could live this type of life style.

So I was assuming that someone will have to move the car to the boats new location, and that person might be the wife.

I know the article does not mention such activity, but on the video the man says he likes the change of scenery, so perhaps they do move on.

Anyway, it’s none of our business what this family are up to, if they are breaking any rules I’m sure CART will deal with them acordingly.

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I agree that it’s none of our business what the family are up to but I thought the article was worth commenting on because of the inaccuracies in it.

Incidentally, great detective work on your part. Maybe you’re right but I suspect otherwise.

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Hi Paul

I did not read the Daily Mail article but have just read all the replies and comments, I do hope all that read it don’t jump in a Narrow boat to live without really looking into life on the Canal, I am reading and looking at all pro’s and con’s, and going to hire one first to try, and actually see how tiny a 72 foot narrow boat is to live on, I say 72 foot one, as this I believe is the largest one that can go every where on the canal system, as my research shows so far, This is a big step to take, so I am taking my time before we make a finale decision, as to finding a mooring, before buying a Narrow boat.

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Hi Ian,

The longest “go anywhere” boat is actually 57′, not 72′. Seventy two feet is the maximum narrowboat size. There are quite a few places you can’t get to with a boat of this length.

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In essence the article isn’t that inaccurate, although easy to read inaccuracy into not having every single instance and fact to hand.

We’ve been CCing for over a year have complied with waterways legislation whilst owning a car, it really isn’t difficult. 

Licensed as a boat without a home mooring or as many call (Continuous cruisers) We also save well over 7k a year living on a boat rather than when we lived

on land, and being a business man I do know the maths. 

There are many families who live on boats and comply, and good on them I say. 

The only thing I might suggest that if it’s costing people the same money to live on a boat as it did on land, then possibly they’re doing something wrong. 

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Oh Julynian, Careful or you’ll start a war!

However I actually agree with you! (Shhh! Don’t tell anyone!LOL!)Laugh

On the matter of CRT’s interpretation of the rules and the court order I have given a view (as legal professional) on that elsewhere.Cool

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Hi Stylon

Well it seems we’re off up to the lowland canals up in Scotland soon, it’s even cheaper up there Laugh Annual licence £145.00 Can’t CC though Frown

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Hi Everyone

I probably should have introduced myself first but I’m recently single after 21 years of married life, he called me from Las Vegas Airport a month ago tomorrow & basically told me “I’m about to board a flight, have a nice life”, so I’ve made the decision to sell the house & return to England, buy a boat since I can’t afford a house over there, but it’s a case of sorting through 21 years of stuff & find a vet to certify my three dogs fit to enter England.

Anyway, I thought this post might need an update:  it seems the family have put their boat up for sale. http://www.newandusedboat.co.u…..boatID=577

I was browsing there this evening & thought, that’s strange, didn’t I see that boat earlier today? Having recently purchased Paul’s brilliant guide, I was trying to devour as much info from these forums as I could and found myself reading this thread. I have to admit I did a double take tonight when I saw Gypsy. Nice boat but not what I’m looking for. Last time I cruised the canals was late 80s, early 90s and bowthrusters were a new & innovative idea on narrowboats! A lot has changed since then, most of all I’m impressed on how technologically advanced today’s craft are.

Anyway, someone in the Daily Mail should follow up on this story, I’m fascinated on why this family decided to dump the boat.

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Hi Cari and welcome to the forum.

I’m not at all surprised that this family have sold their boat. Of course they might have sold it because they’re buying a bigger and better boat but somehow I doubt it.I suspect that one of the reasons they moved off the water is because they discovered that they can’t simply stay in one spot for as long as they like without an official residential mooring.

Good luck with your own plans but be careful if you’re considering a high tech boat with all the bells and whistles. The more gadgets you have on board the more there is to go wrong. Also make sure that you’re moving afloat for the right reason. To enjoy the life you need to switch to living afloat because of the lifestyle than because of the perceived financial savings.

I know someone who is currently bringing two dogs from USA to UK if you would like details of the costs and process.

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