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Efficiency of Heating systems…….how do I get my boat warm?
Thursday,14 November, 2013
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Hi all,

 

I have a solid fuel stove with an eco-fan on a Lees manufacured narrowboat (2005). Even though I can get the stove burning well, no warm air moves down the boat. When the radiators (3) are on, again, no warm air is circulated and you wouldn’t even know they were on unless you touch them!

 

Because I can’t keep the boat warm I am suffering condensation which is ruining the paneling and my stuff is getting damp.

 

Heeeeellp!

 

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Thursday,14 November, 2013
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Are you running the stove continuously or letting it go out each day?

 

Condensation has more to do with what moisture you’re putting into the air first and foremost.  What appliances do you use?

 

Whereabouts are you based?

Thursday,14 November, 2013
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Does the fan actually go round?

 

Radiators don’t circulate heat in the same way as the fan but you should feel the heat radiated from them after they have warmed up though this will probably take between 1/2 to 1 hour depending on your boiler. I assume the circulating pump for the rads is working or otherwise your boiler would shut down fairly quickly.

 

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Thursday,14 November, 2013
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An ecofan will only circulate the air in the room. Where are your bulkheads?  The ecofan cannot push warm air through and around doors or walls.

We leave all our doors open and a little of the warm air does go through but not enough to “heat” the room.

We have recently tried the plastic sheeting that you can get for the windows and have been impressed with how it has helped reduce the condensation on the windows and consequently has stopped water running down the walls.

 

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Thursday,14 November, 2013
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Thermal transmittance! If your boat is poorly insulated or the insulation is wet, particularly the roof, you are not heating your boat you are keeping the pigeons warm.

Warm air will not naturally travel to a cold area without being forced and depending on how cold the adjacent area is determines the force required. However cold air will travel to a warm area readily and without invitation and pushes all your nice warm air up so that your feet are cold.

Physics can be so cruel.

I have been a heating engineer for 30 years and thought I would offer my contribution by possibly stating the obvious.

 

Try not breathing so much at night, this creates a lot of moistureLaugh

Friday,15 November, 2013
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I wondered if it was poor insulation.  The only condensation I get is on the windows.  Yes cold feet are a problem – I usually put my feet up on a stool when watching telly or using the laptop.  Does an ecofan help this, as it is pushing hot air sideways, not down.

Not breathing at night is a very good suggestion – or you could try a plastic bag over your head.

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Friday,15 November, 2013
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If your feet are cold when you’re inside the boat get yourself a pair of “slippers”. Sally and I both have Crocs for indoor wear. They’re made of rubber and insulate feet completely from cold floors. They’re extremely comfortable too. I use mine when I’m on the beach. I’ve walked miles and miles in them without a problem for my normally very sensitive feet.

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When we had our new carpet fitted, we chose the thickest underlay available. About 10 mm thick of spongy rubber. Made a big difference though I still wear slippers in the winter.

 

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Friday,15 November, 2013
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Paul Smith said
If your feet are cold when you’re inside the boat get yourself a pair of “slippers”. Sally and I both have Crocs for indoor wear. They’re made of rubber and insulate feet completely from cold floors. They’re extremely comfortable too. I use mine when I’m on the beach. I’ve walked miles and miles in them without a problem for my normally very sensitive feet.

They look good.  Unfortunately no outlet near me so would have to order by post.  Would you say the sizing is on the large or small side?

 

ETA  Now found the sizing guide on the website and ordered a pair.

 

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Friday,15 November, 2013
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Andy said
Are you running the stove continuously or letting it go out each day?

 

Condensation has more to do with what moisture you’re putting into the air first and foremost.  What appliances do you use?

 

Whereabouts are you based?

 

Hi Andy,

I let the stove go out each day as I am at work etc. Currently I only have the stove as the heating is 100% useless in that it has no effect on the surrounding air!

I am based at Pillings Lock Marina near Quorn, Leicestershire.

Friday,15 November, 2013
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Thermal transmittance! If your boat is poorly insulated or the insulation is wet, particularly the roof, you are not heating your boat you are keeping the pigeons warm.

Warm air will not naturally travel to a cold area without being forced and depending on how cold the adjacent area is determines the force required. However cold air will travel to a warm area readily and without invitation and pushes all your nice warm air up so that your feet are cold.

Physics can be so cruel.

I have been a heating engineer for 30 years and thought I would offer my contribution by possibly stating the obvious.

 

Try not breathing so much at night, this creates a lot of moistureLaugh

 

Hi Mike,

Your contribution is greatly appreciated. I do get hear the occasional sounds of a duck padding up and down the roof at night so I assume they have warm feet! You certainly have a point about thermal transmittance, and I will look into this. I am not sure how well insulated the boat actually is but will investigate and keep you posted as to progress.

Best Regards,

Tim

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Roaring Donkey said

Your contribution is greatly appreciated. I do get hear the occasional sounds of a duck padding up and down the roof at night so I assume they have warm feet! You certainly have a point about thermal transmittance, and I will look into this. I am not sure how well insulated the boat actually is but will investigate and keep you posted as to progress.

You’ll get a clear indication of the effectiveness of your insulation when we get some harder frosts or snow as the winter progresses. Have a look to see how quickly any snow or frost on your roof melts compared to other boats at the marina which are occupied. Before I had a new steel cabin fitted over the existing ply top, I could almost see the snow melt as it landed on the roof.

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Sunday,24 November, 2013
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Hiya,

 

I sort of had an issue a bit like this a couple of years ago. I was at work all day, would go past the pub for a couple in the evening on the way home, then get back to the (cold & wet) boat.

I would then fire up the cooker for dinner, and light my fire. I had too small a chimney on it, so it tended to be very on or out.

Dinner cooked, bottle of wine drunk & I would go to bed.

The result of all this is cooking with gas dumping a load of water into the atmosphere (it is someting like for every kilo of gas burnt, you get a kilo of water…). Add boiling pots to this, hot (steaming) water for washing up, and you have ‘shed’ loads of humidity built up. Add to that your breathing overnight, and you have a ‘deficit’ of water around.
If it is cold, you close the windows & vents to keep the cold & wet out (in theory).

Meanwhile, your burner may have only been on for, say, and hour or two. They only seem to start cracking out the heat after a couple of hours- and your back burner particularly will take TIME to heat up- and if your system to the rads is (I presume) gravity fad, a LONG TIME to get to the rads at the other end of the boat!

Sounds like waiting for a nice clear day one weekend, and opening all the windows for a couple of hours- meanwhile stoking up the fire for the best part of the day to get everything moving round. The tips for using a de-humidifier by the owner of this site in the guides he publishes are usefull too. It might be worth isolating your wettest bit (binbags over walkway) and temporarily sealing vets / windows & cracking on the dehumidifier for a bit (but do clear the tape back afterwards).

 

I had terrible humidity probs till recently- I got my Aldy gas heater working again, and set the fire in for a day- and since then the window condensation is minimal.

Hope any of the above helps! J.

 

Monday,25 November, 2013
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Hi Andy,

I let the stove go out each day as I am at work etc. Currently I only have the stove as the heating is 100% useless in that it has no effect on the surrounding air!

I am based at Pillings Lock Marina near Quorn, Leicestershire.

 

At this time of year, you need to running your stove 24/7 as a liveaboard (IMO), not only to keep yourself warm but also to combat condensation.

Stoves are great, in the respect that they’re a dry heat, and actively remove damp air from the boat and replaces it with dry air pulled form outside.

Most stoves are easy to keep in for 12-18 hours using a good smokeless fuel and this will mean you have  warm home and a dry one!

 

Ventilation is also another important area.  The air inside your boat will always be more humid than that outside (apart from when it’s raining or foggy), so more ventilation can help too.

 

What heats your radiator circuit?  Do you have diesel/gas heating or are they run from the stove? 

 

Currently it sounds like you’re creating a perfect environment for condensation to form.  First port of call is to get the boat dry and warm, then to maintain that over the winter :)

Tuesday,26 November, 2013
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I agree with Andy. Just as an example. I arrived on Clarence about two weeks ago, whether not too cold so I used a fan heater morning and night just to warm the boat up. Next day the condensation was everywhere. Weather gets colder so I turned on my diesel stove, which heats two rads, running that on low overnight. Result almost no condensation. In retrospect I would have been better running the stove from day one.

I suspect your solution is to run that stove 24/7, just enough so the boat feels warm when you step into her and your condensation problem will reduce and over time will drop to almost nothing.

 

 

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