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Fuel Contamination
What Methods are Available to correct a fuel contamination problem? Has anyone suffered water and what is commonly called “Diesel Bug”? What methods are available for fuel and tank cleaning? Comments/Views/Answers urgently Very Welcomed – Please?
Saturday,22 September, 2012
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A friend of mine has contaminated fuel.  I pumped out about 40-litres of red diesel

from the bottom of the tank, (Within 15mm at most).  The first 10-litres was

visually sampled by putting some in a clear glass.  The last 10-litres was also

sampled in the same way. The first glass was cloudy and looked dull; the second

glass looked clear and was bright and sparkly, just like fresh diesel from the pump

 

I assumed that the remaining fuel in the tank (Contaminated being heavier and

removed by electric pump into plastic drums) would have been OK

 

A new primary filter was fitted to the water separator and a new engine filter fitted,

after the pies had first been purged from the tank to primary filter, then purged

from this point to the second (Engine filter position) Fuel was checked at these

points and “looked” OK

 

The engine now starts, sputters, then dies again.  This is not improving, even

after 10 or more long attempts.  I can only assume that although the red diesel

looks OK, it is still contaminated, stopping normal smooth running

 

Any help or suggestions appreciated please, Has anyone perhaps had similar

experiences and used a “Diesel Scrubbing” mobile contractor – if so, were the

results successful please?

Thanks for reading this, ~Allan~

(PS: My boat seems OK so the diesel problem does not seem to be from a

retail supply source)

Monday,24 September, 2012
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I am sceptical by nature and I wonder about the problems that people encounter with water in the fuel tank. First there should be a water separator fitted in the fuel line. I have a Wasp water separator/trap fitted. I do a test on it every month. I have never found any water yet. Then there should also be an in-line particle filter that you change from time to time as part of the service routine.

As fuel is drawn out of the tank – passes through the water separator then passes through the particle filter what is not used is returned back to the fuel tank. In this way the fuel can pass through the filtration  many times. The fuel pipe is normally fitted to draw off the fuel from several inches above the bottom of the tank for obvious reasons. So water and other sediments can build up and still not be a problem.

I think that fuel bug is the more significant problem in this context though it needs water to be present in the tank. I have seen red diesel supplied that looked crystal clear and I have seen it when it seemed a bit cloudy in the container. The next big issue is Bio diesel, there are many problems to come from the use of that.

 

 There are tests you can do to establish the extent of the problem. Plus housekeeping to prevent problems. I wrote a bit on the problem on my blog a while ago. (http://the-onion-bargee.blogsp…..-tank.html)

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Mick n Mags
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Tuesday,25 September, 2012
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Pengalanty said 

A friend of mine has contaminated fuel.  I pumped out about 40-litres of red diesel

from the bottom of the tank, (Within 15mm at most).  The first 10-litres was

visually sampled by putting some in a clear glass.  The last 10-litres was also

sampled in the same way. The first glass was cloudy and looked dull; the second

glass looked clear and was bright and sparkly, just like fresh diesel from the pump

 

I assumed that the remaining fuel in the tank (Contaminated being heavier and

removed by electric pump into plastic drums) would have been OK

 

A new primary filter was fitted to the water separator and a new engine filter fitted,

after the pies had first been purged from the tank to primary filter, then purged

from this point to the second (Engine filter position) Fuel was checked at these

points and “looked” OK

 

The engine now starts, sputters, then dies again.  This is not improving, even

after 10 or more long attempts.  I can only assume that although the red diesel

looks OK, it is still contaminated, stopping normal smooth running

 

Any help or suggestions appreciated please, Has anyone perhaps had similar

experiences and used a “Diesel Scrubbing” mobile contractor – if so, were the

results successful please?

Thanks for reading this, ~Allan~

(PS: My boat seems OK so the diesel problem does not seem to be from a

retail supply source)

I’m very sceptical that the problem can be any of the remaining fuel in the tank. I’ve also carried out the procedure outlined above and it was successful.

May I suggest that the problem  now lies elsewhere in the fuel system.

Check that the fuel return to the tank is running clear and consistent (no bubbles)? If it isn’t the system needs bleeding, in most modern engines simply running the primary fuel pump without starting the engine should purge the system. If no fuel flows then there is a blockage somewhere between the tank outlet and the return pipe back to the tank. Loosen connection along the route to try to find it.

Tuesday,27 November, 2012
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I have only noticed this thread and hope you can pick it up ok.

The best product on the market without any doubt is a solution called Soltron, its enzyme based and is a highly effective way of removing sludge and bugs in the fuel system of any engine, either marine or road. Its not expensive, and 125ml bottle at ASAP Supplies, (they are online) for approx £9.00. You only use a tiny amount.

Red diesel is the least refined diesel you can buy, (hence i never used it for diesel central heating, I used kerosene) and some retail outlets have dubious holding tanks that have heavy condensation build up and ofcourse unavoidable particles of dirt over time.  As it is ‘rated’ for agricultural use it’s not monitored as effectively as road diesel. It is inevitable that we get contaminates in our tanks.

If you can afford to fit a racor fuel filter then put it in line as early as possible after the tank, they are extremely effective, not cheap but very robust, easy to clean, you can see the dirt and water at a glance and last for ever, they have the ability to take copious amounts of water out out of the worst diesel. It has a very clever design in that the diesel ‘swirls around’ inside the different compartments prior to release to the injector pump.

I have seen tanks that were too difficult to remove financially, and having the addition of Soltron over a period of one or two seasons become almost completely clean. I had 2 1000 litre  tanks in my last boat, a yard converted trawler which had very dirty tanks, and using Soltron at every fill of diesel completely cleaned them. The enzyme within the solution literally eats the bugs and sludge as it sits in the tank. It really is amazing stuff!!!

Another good tip is to keep your fuel tank filled as near the brim as you can, this stops condensation from forming

Hope this helps you and very one else reading this thread.

Tuesday,27 November, 2012
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Thank you Mike. An excellent post as usual.

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Friday,8 February, 2013
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We run a business based all over the inland waterways…cleaning diesel…removing all water/debris/bug…you lose very little diesel & we can come to where ever your boat is. If anyone wants more info please let me know Smile

Saturday,9 February, 2013
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As a matter of interest, what do you charge for your service?

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Saturday,9 February, 2013
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Boasters should also invest in a tube of water finding paste. I use Kolor Kut. Just smear a bit on the end of the dipstick and drop into the tank. A change of colour shows the presence of water. Used regularly it show the water before it becomes a problem.

 

Regards

Pete

Living retirement in the slow lane.

20 years hiring, 6 years of shared ownership and a Continuous Cruiser since 2007 but still learning!

Monday,11 February, 2013
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Just thought I would add a trick to this thread.

Did you check for and change any filter in the engine diesel pump. I don’t know about other engines, but my Vetus had a small filter actually in the pump itself, that is separate and in addition to filters from the tank and on the side of the engine. When I’ve had trouble it has always been this little filter which has blocked.

Bob

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