Varies widely across the system.

This website gives you some idea but it is only up-dated when boaters email the info in.

http://diesel.fibrefactory.co.uk/

Where we are moored at present at Oldbury in Birmingham, we are next to Fast Fuels who sell red diesel at 87p a litre. Thdey don’t do declaration until you get above 200 litres. The propulsion rate should be 50p more than domestic.

Regards

Pete

pearley said
Varies widely across the system.

This website gives you some idea but it is only up-dated when boaters email the info in.

http://diesel.fibrefactory.co.uk/

Where we are moored at present at Oldbury in Birmingham, we are next to Fast Fuels who sell red diesel at 87p a litre. Thdey don’t do declaration until you get above 200 litres. The propulsion rate should be 50p more than domestic.

 

Regards

Pete

Very useful Pete.  Huge variation even allowing for different dates.

 Does everyone claim (if boatyard allows) 90% or so domestic?  I do not think I could bring myself to claim 100%

pearley said

Alan said

 Does everyone claim (if boatyard allows) 90% or so domestic?  I do not think I could bring myself to claim 100%

Depends on what use you have made of the diesel from your last fill or what you are going to do with this fill.

I have two tanks. The one dedicated to the generator is always 100% duty free or though some boatyards will argue that as a CCer I can’t claim 100%. The HMRC rules say otherwise.

As far as propulsion tank is concerned, for my last two fills I’ve claimed 100% duty free. This is because diesel heating fuel comes from that tank (not that we use c/htg that often but in this cold weather, the bedroom can be pretty cold in the morning) and also because I have not actually moved for very long. So although I’ve put some 40 hours on the engine, only about 6 of those has actually pushed the boat along because I’ve ran the engine for an hour or so most days to charge the batteries, run the washing machine and heat the water.

During the summer months I claim anything up to the ‘normal’ 60/40 split and in Autumn and Spring, somewhere in between.

The only thing I would add is phone ahead to get the latest prices from several yards and make sure, before you fill the tank, that the yard will accept your declaration, bearing in mind that some yards will only sell at 60/40 because they want a quiet life.

Oh, and fill up often at this time of year. It reduces the amount of condensation you get in the tank and gives you peace of mind if you get iced in.

 

Regards

Pete

Looks like you are one of the fairly “honest” ones Pete.  It is obviously a rule that it is very tempting (and easy) to break and for the amounts involved unlikely to be pursued by HMRC.  I guess the danger is that if misused too much a mandatory split will be imposed, but very small beer in the scheme of things for the Treasury.

Many boatyards don’t even ask when buying red diesel and advertise and sell it at a flat rate. The declaration required just asks for your name, boat name and registration. I pay 90p/litre at Reedley marina.

pearley said 

I’ve only bought diesel there once, in early 2011, and after filling up, despite me telling them that one tank was duty free, they wouldn’t let me claim 100% duty free on my generator tank. After a lot of arguing we compromised and combined both tanks and claimed 10% as propulsion.

Their argument was that only boaters on fixed moorings, ie in their marina, could claim 100% duty free and that CCers couldn’t under any circumstance. 

Perhaps they’ve changed their stance now.

 

Regards

Pete

Well things must have changed in recent times as they and also Lower Park marina at Barnoldswick (to name just two) sell at a flat rate now without any questions.

I have been assured by more than one dealer that the VAT split for heating/propulsion (if offered documentation to claim) is 100% the responsibility of the purchaser whether CC or not. The dealer has no right to stipulate although possibly out of ignorance many do.

The recommended 60/40 propulsion/heating split seems to be a figure pulled out of a hat. I understand that HM R & C are not really bothered in enforcing any rigid VAT policing of the split since the sales of red diesel for marine use are incredibly small in the greater scheme of things.

I think its just another of the many gray areas in HM R & C regs and very much open to local interpretation.